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EP. 1351 “Some heroes left school unsure, joined Novak, and thrived as real estate stars!”
Ever wondered how the landscapes of career choices have transformed over the years? Join us for an invigorating conversation with Cleo, a seasoned real estate agent with 16 years under her belt, who shares her journey from school hallways to property management corridors. Cleo's experience working with a youthful team injects her daily routine with vibrancy and continuous learning, offering a fresh perspective on how young energy can invigorate even the most experienced professionals. Listen as we explore the exhilarating yet nerve-wracking transition young people face today in choosing their career paths amidst a myriad of options compared to the limited doors of the past.
Through stories and reflections, we delve into the essence of youthful ambition and the exciting, albeit daunting, step into adulthood. Cleo passionately discusses mentoring young talent, likening their entry into the professional world to young foals taking their first steps. The episode paints a heartfelt picture of the role work experience plays in shaping future real estate stars, with anecdotes that will make you reminisce about your own career beginnings. Tune in for a compelling dialogue that captures the essence of career exploration and the boundless opportunities awaiting today's youth.
Alright, kids have left school, they're going to work, they're going to uni. We're going to talk about some legends in real estate that have done that. Stay tuned. I'm the ringleader, so let's go.
Speaker 2:Yala Hi, good morning. How are you?
Speaker 1:Good morning Cleo. How are you?
Speaker 2:I'm good, I'm very good. Thank you, Looking forward to the day getting involved, getting into it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, cleoo, how long you've been a real estate agent before?
Speaker 2:uh, you ask me this.
Speaker 1:Every segment probably about 16 years now, something close to that, I don't know I'm qualifying you as a speaker so people know they're not talking to some bar head, that's been in real estate for three days.
Speaker 2:It's a big thing. Well, it is, you know. Someone asked me the other day, like, have you not burnt out yet in property management? And I thought about it and I'm like, well, I think you feel as young as the people you work with, sometimes as well. They keep you fresh and um, energetic at work. So, um, I always find, you know, there are new things that I'm learning as well, which also helps in in, you know, beating down that old workhorse mentality, I guess you can't get that from working from home.
Speaker 2:No, I love coming into the office. I do do some days at home, but you are easily distracted, for sure.
Speaker 1:It's one of those things. I remember my mum worked at Woolies at the front counter and there was, like you know, 100, 150 part-time, full-time staff rotating through the checkouts in the days when there was lots of checkouts and the words she would come home with was embarrassing. It's like where did you learn that you can't say that at your age?
Speaker 2:It's so true I think, yeah, there's definitely things that come out that you might not be reflecting of your age for sure.
Speaker 1:So this morning we're talking about the really stressful time of approaching the HSC, passing the HSC people, all of your family members and friends, saying what are you going to do for a job? What are you going to go to uni and study, what are you going to do for a job? And you're there going. I think I like this and I think I like that. It must be so goddamn scary for these young chicks and young blokes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it would be scary and there's a lot of expectation and there's a lot of choices. I feel there's so many choices, like I remember leaving school when I did my HSC. There were choices but there weren't as many choices as there are now and all the things you could do and choose and you know gap years and all of that, like it was either you go to uni or you do a trade. That was it. That was like those two mediums. You know we do get a lot of work experience people that come to the office, which I love. You know, having a test to see if you could work in a real estate office environment at such a young age, having one or two days in the office, you can really see those kids coming through. That, um, you know, really love it. And they can see themselves in there and I do, I do enjoy. When they come in, you kind of look around, you're like, oh, I saw someone's son or daughter here and they're like, no, I'm here for work experience. Um, but yeah, it's good and they're like.
Speaker 1:They're like those. No, I'm here for work experience, you know. But yeah, it's good and they're like those little horses that start walking with those legs, that sort of rattle around. You know, those young horses.
Speaker 2:Baby foals.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or they're like yeah, or they're like the chickens, you know, the little yellow chickens that are like oh, oh, my god was. Was I like that when I, when I left school, when I was in the attending, was I doing work experience, looking like that? These guys are. These guys are um, they're young, fresh, um scary, scary world, you know, to get into all that stuff yeah, it definitely is.
Speaker 2:Um, you can see, you know, with regards to work ethic, what they have at home, sometimes, like you know, um, the guidance. There's more guidance needed, sometimes less. Um, you know, if you come from a home where you've been expected to work and you do chores, you know they're the kinds of young kids that come in and they look for new things to do. They're not just sitting around waiting to be told what to do, and there's all different styles of learning. But I feel, in real estate, you've got to be, you know, looking for that next thing. You've got to be, quite, you know, quick and sharpish. You know, especially in property management as well, and when you've got so many balls in the air, so we do.
Speaker 2:The people that stand out are those people that look for things to keep busy, instead of sort of just waiting around for us to say, well, have you got anything to do? You know I don't understand, like if you just starting out, it's daunting, you don't know what to do. Of course you know you might wait for that, but I feel like the key, the key stand-up sales people that was had come through the ranks. They've always been the ones asking bazillion questions, being annoying saying can I do that, can I do this? You know yeah confidence.
Speaker 1:Cleo, the thing that I feel passionate about I'm sure I'm going to piss off some people today is I'm really not enjoying watching these kids compulsorily Going straight into university, not working for four years and they're not making 50 grand a year, so they're negative 200. Taking on a hext out of 40 grand a year, so they're taking on negative 160. And not using that degree when they start at 21 in the workforce. So these guys are negative 360k and these poor kids have this lumped on their shoulders at this age and they're not going to use the degree that they studied in.
Speaker 1:I feel really passionate about kids really wanting to exercise that career and then getting that degree. So I think this whole work experience thing that we've just spoken about and I think about, I think we've got to accept that these kids don't know what they want to do when they are 16, 17 or 18. Probably more than half of them don't know what they want to do and I almost think there should be like a program when you leave school where you rotate through four industries and get paid or you know, and then you go that's what I'm best at, that's what I'm good at, um and make it acceptable to job. Hop um and make it acceptable to not have to know what you want to do, but to physically get out there and work rather than just go straight into these degrees. And they're like I hope, like hell. I'm going to like this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a scary thought and to think, like you said, when you have that debt and then we're expecting young people to save, to get into the property market and they're already, you know, on a deficit is scary, very scary, and not to take away having a degree for sure, like you said, I wonder if people are opting a bit more to do degrees online whilst they're working, you know, chipping away from home, whilst they're still, like you said, getting that work experience in the workplace.
Speaker 1:Look, I'm up for the degree if that's, if that's what you know you want to do. But I just think so many kids out there they just don't know and they just go well, engineering, engineering, okay, sounds good, let's go, I'll do this, you know, I mean, and it's like, oh shit, uh, a year later they're like, how the hell am I going to tell my friends, my parents, I hate this? Um, but how how did they know to do that? You know, without actually working, in that they sort of had a guess from movies, um, or, yeah, family members that were doing those jobs, or I don't know how, how they knew they wanted to do that job. But you know, until you physically get out there. So just a quick tag before we go on legends that have come into the business that we've seen come out of school who's top of mind for you?
Speaker 2:Right now, billy, I would say for sure Billy Drury, from our office. You know he came in on a Sunday, you know when no one wants to work a Sunday, you know he'd come in and sit on reception and he'd call when there's a problem and I'd be like, who is this young person calling up? He goes, oh, I'm in the office and look at him now with all these own listings and just such a go-getter and you know, really adding value. Um, it's been great to watch. I don't look at him like a young person anymore, I look at him as an equal.
Speaker 1:Not that he'll like that, like I'm 45, he's nowhere near that but he has that maturity about him that you know that you're talking to someone with substance and that's professional and you know I, I do, um, I'm in awe of that and we've and I think, when you look at the history of the business being around for 21 years, people that have come into the business at the age of 17 um that are now in their 40s um in their real estate careers, um coming to know back at those times you know it's been a really cool springboard. I know people like Angelo Gutzias you know started, you know you see those people on their cars, you know, and then they advance. I know people like Brendan Essary. So, brendan Essary, you're running the Bell franchise.
Speaker 1:Wow, you know there's a lot of young guys that have come through, you know, out of school, I think, tulo, you know people like that. So you know there's people within the business at the moment that are coming through. But I do think you know there is, you know these guys don't have a degree and these girls don't have a degree that are coming to the business and are working in real estate. But I think they're full, you know. So it's interesting out there that I think now think they're there, they're full. So it's interesting out there that I think now that kids are leaving school, it's a really relevant topic. Don't be shy about getting into a career. These kids have gone five months off before they started.
Speaker 2:Sorry, Mark, it's a bit of a bad feed, I can't. What did you say?
Speaker 1:These kids have got five months off before they go to uni.
Speaker 2:It's exactly five months. Like you can accomplish so much in real estate in five months, you know, definitely don't sit around doing nothing. Come into our office, Like you know, know, I think like you said yeah, just, there's work, there's so much work in um.
Speaker 2:You know, a lot of us don't have a degree, but we have a degree in people. I feel our degree is being able to talk to people and relate to people and that will help you in any industry, whether you stay in real estate or you move on to something else, which a lot of people, great people that have worked in our office have done. You know, a springboard, like you said, is just, you know the crux of it. You know there's so much, so much that we, you know, provide with the community. You know, and young people should come in and give it a try. I want my son to come in, he's only 10. And I said you know you should come in a bit more often. You know there's plenty of paper to be shredded and you'll hear conversations. You know why not.
Speaker 1:I was collecting toys and delivering groceries in Woolies DY with my mum when I was that age, completely illegally. Get out there, do some work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that, that's the best. I just feel we need to encourage that. A lot. Studying, yes, being able to, you know, be good at school and do books, and if you want to do uni, great. But yeah, I also agree, you've got to have that work ethic as well, and you get that through experience, for sure.
Speaker 1:Big time Leah. Thank you very, very much.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Have a great day everyone.
Speaker 1:Go out to school students go get them, go save. Concacaf See you soon See you.